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Old Jan 04, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21   #381
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Thanks for the info Ninna. (well not sure it answers my question as the third comment after the article says that spammers already found a work-around) The massively.com website looks interesting.

A quick question to the hybrid GW-Wow players: do madness such as the "Mini Polar Bear crisis" also happen in WoW? (with people getting mad about one item or event, raging on forums, poiting fingers everywhere, etc.) Thanks!
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 07:24 PM // 19:24   #382
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Mordakai, I honestly can not remember names of places, I have stopped playing too quickly to be too good at stuff like that. Right now I am in the Night Elf starting place and it is so far so much nicer. Still feel like I am too bored to keep playing though . What I am on now is a trial account though, since I did not feel like starting a new regular account, I might this time though, we shall see.

Most of the other times in the last year or so I played on a budds account since he was bored with it. I still prefer GW "soloing" to WoW soloing, but I have "tried" to hard to like WoW, and am starting to realize its just not for me. Hence my not bashing it, but some people like games and other don't.
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 07:27 PM // 19:27   #383
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Oh okay, that's what RMT is.

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A quick question to the hybrid GW-Wow players: do madness such as the "Mini Polar Bear crisis" also happen in WoW? (with people getting mad about one item or event, raging on forums, poiting fingers everywhere, etc.) Thanks!
Not anything in that form, but there are a few mounts that have incredibly and massively low drop rates.

But nobody goes real "apeshit" over it, they just say how lucky they are.
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33   #384
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third comment after the article says that spammers already found a work-around)
there will always be work-arounds
but the gold spam is *significantly less* than 1 year ago
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 07:37 PM // 19:37   #385
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A quick question to the hybrid GW-Wow players: do madness such as the "Mini Polar Bear crisis" also happen in WoW? (with people getting mad about one item or event, raging on forums, poiting fingers everywhere, etc.) Thanks!
Actually WoW is all about collecting items, they're is a never-ending scourge of Ninja looting, kill stealing, stealth kill steal farming, areas over farmed by bots, GW times Ten. . If you can imagine it, it happens in spades in WoW. Constantly. Just search the WoW forums, nothing but similar complaints.

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Actually, I'm not. Nor am I implying it. I even did a Firefox find search with my browser and did not find myself saying that.
Your right I did the same search and nadda. I'm glad we finally agree on something: Stats/Levels/NUMBERS are not what make an RPG MMO Deep. Complex, yes. Deep, no.

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I'm saying you can make one without. But it won't be as complex as one with. Here: You take *THE* most advanced and complex graphical advancement system. It could do fine standing alone and without numbers. Put in numbers, leveling, etc. and you have an even more complex system.
Complexity is not the same thing as Depth. {shall we Dance?} Complexity in any game is a double edge sword. Complexity is very bad if it is gratuitously WoW like.

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Well, if the fact that ANet is considering adding an unlimited level cap in GW2 is any indication...
Considering, yes, not the same thing as Doing. But why would that mean players of GW are content with an endless Grind for numbers/levels/stats? Comments, replies, another waltz?
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 07:41 PM // 19:41   #386
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WoW forums are infamous for trolling / QQ / etc
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/bo...&forumId=10001

but thats not a reflection of ingame play - only the forums
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 07:44 PM // 19:44   #387
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but thats not a reflection of ingame play - only the forums
Thanks for the link. And regarding the relationship between games and their forum, a few months of XP on GWG teaches you that it's quite different .
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57   #388
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Thanks for the info Ninna. (well not sure it answers my question as the third comment after the article says that spammers already found a work-around) The massively.com website looks interesting.

A quick question to the hybrid GW-Wow players: do madness such as the "Mini Polar Bear crisis" also happen in WoW? (with people getting mad about one item or event, raging on forums, poiting fingers everywhere, etc.) Thanks!
Certainly haven't ever seen it myself. I did see someone with a Spectral Tiger mount, and all he got was compliments. As for forums I couldn't say, this pit of insanity is enough for me.

Re: The arguments about depth and numbers / stats...

Personally, I find the depth for me comes from the ability to craft (trade skills) and the journey itself. I don't PVP (yet) and the guild I'm in seems to exist purely of alts, so me and the hubster tend to duo everything. Which obviously means we don't get to do the instances until the loot in them is pretty much useless to us. But we still have a lot of fun.

With doing enchanting (and tailoring) I can improve my own weapons and gear, make money on the side from the tailoring etc. This for me is what's missing from GW, something that has a higher level of immersion than 'buy 50 Elonian Leather Squares' and make your amour. When I craft or enchant I'm physically doing it (as a character) not just swapping mats and gold over.

I'm not knocking GW, far from it, I love the damn game and am still playing happily after 22 months... but I'd like to see more PVE depth at times.
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15   #389
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With doing enchanting (and tailoring) I can improve my own weapons and gear, make money on the side from the tailoring etc. This for me is what's missing from GW, something that has a higher level of immersion than 'buy 50 Elonian Leather Squares' and make your amour. When I craft or enchant I'm physically doing it (as a character) not just swapping mats and gold over.
Totally agree with this: GW2 needs a crafting system.

I made a rifle in WoW last night, and it's so cool to have a weapon that you feel personally attached to. (Not to mention it says "Crafted by Lugh" in the description. Nice touch, Blizzard!)
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 08:17 PM // 20:17   #390
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Actually WoW is all about collecting items, they're is a never-ending scourge of Ninja looting, kill stealing, stealth kill steal farming, areas over farmed by bots, GW times Ten. . If you can imagine it, it happens in spades in WoW. Constantly. Just search the WoW forums, nothing but similar complaints.
I'd say limit your searches to realm forums, since people always complain on the general forums.

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Your right I did the same search and nadda. I'm glad we finally agree on something: Stats/Levels/NUMBERS are not what make an RPG MMO Deep. Complex, yes. Deep, no.
It's only as deep and complex as the developer's make it. Dungeons and Dragons' leveling up system (preferably third edition used in NWN) is remarkably deep, a bit complex, but still fun. Too complex, though, and you'll start losing people.

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Complexity is not the same thing as Depth. {shall we Dance?} Complexity in any game is a double edge sword. Complexity is very bad if it is gratuitously WoW like.
I actually like the deep complexity that WoW has, but it ain't everyone's boat.

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Considering, yes, not the same thing as Doing.
I'd say since it's something that's been asked for since GW1 (and since announced has seen very little negative feedback) that it'd be in their best interests to go ahead and do so.

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But why would that mean players of GW are content with an endless Grind for numbers/levels/stats? Comments, replies, another waltz?
Why do you assume that high levels will equate to grind?

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Totally agree with this: GW2 needs a crafting system.

I made a rifle in WoW last night, and it's so cool to have a weapon that you feel personally attached to. (Not to mention it says "Crafted by Lugh" in the description. Nice touch, Blizzard!)
Cool story: A few weeks ago, I ran into the same person who made my shirt that I had been wearing for over a year! It was just a level 48 NE. I probably totally freaked him out I was so stoked.

Also another story for Fril: There was this one hilarious gold seller who would keep killing himself as a Gnome in Ironforge so a bunch of his bodies spelt the URL where you could buy the stuff. You gotta admire that kind of creativity! (link)
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19   #391
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I've been taking a break from WoW for a few weeks and this thread got me fired up again. I should be able to hit outland by next week..

Props to Zinger for starting a thread that's had interesting content, and has stayed for the most part flame free.
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Old Jan 04, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41   #392
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Also another story for Fril: There was this one hilarious gold seller who would keep killing himself as a Gnome in Ironforge so a bunch of his bodies spelt the URL where you could buy the stuff. You gotta admire that kind of creativity! (link)
Saw that a while back. It's marketing at its best as the comic says

It seems from the Blizzard person's post that they had to ask players to report these bugs in order to fix them. So each "realm" runs its own little world or a copy of the global world, or something like that?
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Old Jan 05, 2008, 03:35 AM // 03:35   #393
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In WoW, I have had two assholes come up to me, sit there saying something in general, then when I go to "run away", they follow me, kill everything in the area. Thats not fun, especially since it has happened the last three times I have attempted to start the game. I am a soloer at heart, and I don't need some killjoy ruining my game experience.

Simply said, for you benefit Cach: GW = Physically ignorable greifing. WoW = Mentally, but not physically, ignorable greifing.
Basically you're telling me you don't know how to get rid of some people in WoW, thus make it a bad game when compared with GW?

Hah!

For your benefit, Aeri: Ever heard of Hearthstone? Or maybe, Gryphon? Or if level 10 is a little too early for a ride, try die & spirit rez. There're so many ways to get away from someone. You didn't even try.

Or maybe you know all of those, but you just want to "come here and say that WoW sucks" so you pretend they don't exist.

And of course I can't win in such fight. I don't ever stoop THAT low.
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Basically you're telling me you don't know how to get rid of some people in WoW, thus make it a bad game when compared with GW?

Hah!

For your benefit, Aeri: Ever heard of Hearthstone? Or maybe, Gryphon? Or if level 10 is a little too early for a ride, try die & spirit rez. There're so many ways to get away from someone. You didn't even try.

Or maybe you know all of those, but you just want to "come here and say that WoW sucks" so you pretend they don't exist.

And of course I can't win in such fight. I don't ever stoop THAT low.
Which obviously makes it perfectly acceptable and means that the community is fine, so long as you ignore it.

And hey! This post is fine! Providing you ignore my point. (Why, WHY can I see this happening regardless?)
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Old Jan 05, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43   #395
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While you could ignore the person who's harassing you or abandon him through numerous methods of escape, per se, you can't do jack when the griefer is killing off all of the monsters that you need for a quest.
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I got my lv. 70 in WoW on a RPPVP server. If there was a lv. 70 Alliance in the area eliminating all Horde players, I just moved to a different area. Not too complicated.

I've had lots more trouble with jerks and irrational people in GW than WoW. There is an old thread in which I posted screencaptures of such accounts:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...postcount=2437

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...postcount=2570

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...postcount=2619

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...postcount=2703

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...postcount=2841

It's a shame that thread was locked.
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"lol cause they know it's suicide"

Hah!
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And what game is in the top 10 selling list everytime you look for the last oh several years since WOW's release? Hrmmm? Yeah we all know who. GW's gets in the top 10 for about a week except the last two Nightfall and GWEN and then it is gone FOREVER! As I said it's for the poor and for parents who don't want to tend to their kids. There's a few that play it because the love it, but, hardly a majority like poor and lazy parents and just kids in general as one can easily see from the general chat all over the place. Hardly an ADULT game as some would like us to believe.
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It's good for adults in terms of a schedule, I guess?
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And what game is in the top 10 selling list everytime you look for the last oh several years since WOW's release? Hrmmm? Yeah we all know who. GW's gets in the top 10 for about a week except the last two Nightfall and GWEN and then it is gone FOREVER! As I said it's for the poor and for parents who don't want to tend to their kids. There's a few that play it because the love it, but, hardly a majority like poor and lazy parents and just kids in general as one can easily see from the general chat all over the place. Hardly an ADULT game as some would like us to believe.
And if WoW wasn't associated with Blizzard, Warcraft, Starcraft, and Diablo, it'd be just another MMO.

That's all it has going for it. WoW is neither innovative nor groundbreaking. They took the tried and true MMO elements and rolled them all together, but it doesn't do anything exceptional. I played WoW for a while, and it reminded me of a late 90's computer game. I guess I'm just bitter; I really liked the Warcraft RTS games, and now that WoW is out they're pretty much dead.

I don't think GW is perfect, but it is fun, has no monthly fee, and the graphics are much better than WoW's, while still not requiring a top end PC to play.
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